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Anyone have any insight as to WHY people are assholes? Why love is greeted with a yawn and kindness with a kick in the teeth?
I loved your post, Wanderingwolf, where you said, "everyone seems filled with a nameless fear about relationships, friendships,family, money,caring, being seen caring, everything good seems to be taken as weakness, compasion seems to set you up for a fall, its like hanging a sign around your neck that says " SUCKER" trust is just a tool for manipulation..."
You said it, pal. But why? Why is it that the majority seems to prefer isolation, loneliness, and fear to love and friendship, and porn to actual sex? (Okay, that last bit I'm talking about gay men in particular, but maybe it applies to all men, I don't know.)
Thanks in advance for your responses, and for NOT making fun of my naivete.
I loved your post, Wanderingwolf, where you said, "everyone seems filled with a nameless fear about relationships, friendships,family, money,caring, being seen caring, everything good seems to be taken as weakness, compasion seems to set you up for a fall, its like hanging a sign around your neck that says " SUCKER" trust is just a tool for manipulation..."
You said it, pal. But why? Why is it that the majority seems to prefer isolation, loneliness, and fear to love and friendship, and porn to actual sex? (Okay, that last bit I'm talking about gay men in particular, but maybe it applies to all men, I don't know.)
Thanks in advance for your responses, and for NOT making fun of my naivete.
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Thu, September 27, 2007 - 10:43 AMholy crap man! if i knew that id have made myself filthy rich and LEFT this damn shithole and found some place far far far in the woods where those sick twisted cruel asssholes couldnt find me and sit outside all day with my shotgun. But so far id have to agree with the other guy, its easy, that about sums it up. caring takes effort, no effort, no caring. people are selfish children with nothing but personal gain on their minds usually, and ocasionally , when forced to by an attack of conscience, ( usually fought tooth and claw too)they may allow themselves to care but then they are taken advantage of, just like the rest of us, so id have to say, BETRAYAL is the root cause. trust betrayed, love betrayed, friendship betrayed, etc etc etc.... -
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Sat, October 6, 2007 - 4:19 AMhaving something you care for means you have something to be terrified of losing. if you remain on a level of isolation you have little to fear losing. you have love and friendship and laughter and kindness - if it gets taken away it is really bloody hard to deal with. sad but true. my name is pip and i am often a coward. but life would be so empty and meaningless without people in your life to love and need and want. you are not silly. or nieve. just sweet and hopful and brave. is harder to care. so i am happy that you do. =) never loose that. -
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Sat, October 6, 2007 - 7:15 PMThanks for your sweet and thoughtful response, Pip. It rings true. Unfortunately it is painful to care when it feels as if you are the only person caring. But I'm not giving up hope. There's got to be others out there who feel as I do, even if we are few and far between.
Unfortunately our culture promotes isolation, individualism, and numbing our feelings. Not to mention staying so busy that you don't have time for anything more than superficial relationships. We live in a society of fear and isolation, it seems. -
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Sun, October 7, 2007 - 5:17 AMBoy, do I hear you on this issue. We do live in a culture that values isolation over community. and numbing our feelings instead of reveling in them and allowing ourselves to have both the bad feelings and the good feelings.
I would love to talk to you more about this Dean.
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Sun, October 7, 2007 - 11:07 AMyep, and i am probably as guilty as the next of this. get far too used to time alone it becomes second nature. i am so happy yo have mu internet connection back though. feels more like i have all my friends round me again, not just the ones i live close to.
keep the faith luv. you're taking the hard road, but it's the one with all the rewards. -
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Sun, October 7, 2007 - 2:29 PMAWWWW pip, hugs to ya!!!
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Sun, October 7, 2007 - 6:22 PMThe odd thing is that the people I have the most satisfying, intimate conversations with are loners - at the moment, they are people I've met on Tribe. I feel more connection with them than I do with my "real-life" friends whom I've known for years. I don't feel that most of my RL friends know what's going on in my life half as well as a couple of my Tribe friends whom I've known only a couple of months. It's because with RL friends, we 'socialize' (and only occasionally, because everyone is so busy) and with online friends, we talk - often at length. In general, the conversations are deeper and more extensive with online friends.
So, I don't think being a loner is a bad thing. My assumption is that loners are just choosier about who they hang out with and what they do with their time. They're not willing to put up with all the BS in the world just to be accepted as a member of society.
Thanks for your kind words, Pip. I don't think I'm at all brave, it's just that loneliness is very painful to me. I have a strong need for connection. I wonder at the relative ease with which some of you other loners seem to handle being alone.
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Sun, October 7, 2007 - 5:36 PMI'd love to have this discussion too - with you and anyone else who wants to. -
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Sun, October 7, 2007 - 6:05 PMyou know, im in the military, and thers this guy, he's a first class petty officer, just beneath a chief, and he is the nicest guy, and today i was watching him go down the brow, ( i was standing watch as messenger, the guy that is afectionately referred to as the bullet sponge, cuz i guard the brow, but dont carry a gun, lol) anyway, so hes down there and hes cleaning the pier of minor debris, normally they muster the duty section for that, and hes taking care of it by himself. One of the chiefs was standing next to me and said "Hes too nice, thats his problem." i said, "being nice is a problem?" him not asking or demanding makes me want to go down there and help him out but if hes being a dick then i dont want to help him" and the chief said, "yeah, well , youre one of the few".
This got me thinking, what do other people think of "being nice" we all know that being nice is the right thing to do, right? but if we DO it, we get taken advantage of, and eventually our trust gets betrayed, which may make us bitter,so my question is this:
WHY do we keep doing it? why do we keep caring? i often ask myself why i keep bothering, and i keep coming up with the same answer. Because its the right thing to do. i wonder what will happen to me if it no longer becomes enough and when i finally get betrayed often enough what will happen to me, will i become a bad person? why is chosing NOT to set myself up for failure make me a bad person? just because i choose to let things go the way others ahve done so for generations, treat others like crap, or just ignore them, i cant ever treat people like that but i CAN choose not to help when my neck is on the line, and i wonder one day if im ever going to cross that line.
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Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:53 AMWow, Wanderingwolf. Tough situation. The military is a world onto itself. I thought that they try to beat the humanity out of new recruits in boot camp. It seems to me that if there is any place in the world where being "nice" is seen as a sin, it would be in the military. How can you kill if you have compassion?
I'm glad that you are hanging onto your humanity, despite the attempts of others to destroy it. Just keep hanging onto it, you'll be glad that you did. Imagine if you had nothing left, if everything that could be was stripped away from you. All you have is what's inside. Hang on to what's good in there. I've felt myself growing bitter of late - it's easy to do, but it's not a good feeling. It's heinous.
It seems like you've experienced more than your share of betrayal. While that's been your personal experience, it has not been my observation or experience that betrayal is a common result of being nice. In my experience, if anything, niceness is usually rewarded, if not met with indifference. My unsolicited advice would be to keep true to yourself, and when possible, try to surround yourself with more like-minded people.
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Mon, October 8, 2007 - 12:35 PMi agree that being nice is sometimes the hard thing to do. again, easy to just ignore what you don't want to deal with and look out for number one. it's very empty too. i figure i'd rather get walked over by a few assholes if it means i am going to be there for the true friends that come my way. you can't truly be what you are not. i'd rather be a good friend to those who need it and sometimes those who also deserve it. i know what a difference it can make to know that when all feels lost and you are so alone, that there is someone in the world who cares what happens to you and will listen. i had a few people many years back (penfriends at that) who did this for me. so i try to show my gratitude if others need someone. share the love. no-one should have no-one at all. makes me feel better, so not all altruistic.
besides, nice people are the ones who may not fight back over dumb shit and just get on with things, but they are some of the fiercest to defend what they hold sacred. -
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Mon, October 8, 2007 - 2:02 PMhmm, yeah, i DO get pretty fierce over the stuff that counts, the dumb shit IS pretty damn petty, but there just SO MUCH of it, lol. Everybody around me gets all worked up over the petty crap and it gets me wondering if IM supposed to get all worked up and what kind of person i am if i DONT get angry over the stupid shit, thanks Pip, i needed the outside perspective again.
BTW, love the new pics. -
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Tue, October 9, 2007 - 11:42 AMthank you sugar. =)
i feel a new post coming on.......
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